tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post1904592583994508418..comments2023-06-24T05:09:29.121-04:00Comments on Dancing with (the) Plaos...: Boycott WikipediaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15663634101252672135noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post-91383502780194952262015-11-30T18:49:14.851-05:002015-11-30T18:49:14.851-05:00I picked up the aforementioned pamphlet yesterday ...I picked up the aforementioned pamphlet yesterday at the Climate Change March in Toronto, contact name is Michael RosenbergAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post-86565616371312005332007-08-13T13:33:00.000-04:002007-08-13T13:33:00.000-04:00"Dictatorship of the Pushy"I like it. Catchy.Altho..."Dictatorship of the Pushy"<BR/>I like it. Catchy.<BR/><BR/>Altho I do have to argue that Math and Logic are not separated from opinion either as Gödel tried to show.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment, I'll try to write a post in the next few days. I've been very lazy recently (and I've been away for the past 2 weeks in a place without electricity - Pennsic).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663634101252672135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post-26585769349581393192007-08-09T05:11:00.000-04:002007-08-09T05:11:00.000-04:00i think you're onto something important here, but ...i think you're onto something important here, but i think it's deeper then just the 'neutrality' clause of wikipedia and the attempt to create a universal truth through consensus where none actually exists. in my own experiences on wikipedia I've repeatedly run into the fact that people who are extraordinarily partisan and biased in favor of various groups (the mormon chuch being one great example) are absolutely fastidious in deleting anything even remotely critical of their religion, regardless of how throughly it's researched and cited. Because they have the energy and time to devote to it and have memorized all the various arcane rules, they're able to totally dominate the discussion and impose their biased viewpoints all while pretending that they're defending "neutrality". <BR/><BR/>which, i suppose, gets back to your point - at some level most things (really just about everything except math and logical syllogisms) boils down to opinions, and those opinions reflect individual biases. expecting to put a bunch of biased individuals together and get an unbiased project is just silly, what you end up with is a dictatorship of the pushy. all of which is immensely frustrating.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06614394862717971697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post-1698570815756117272007-06-04T19:11:00.000-04:002007-06-04T19:11:00.000-04:00You know, you're probably right. I'm losing my fai...You know, you're probably right. I'm losing my faith in civil disobedience, as I'm not sure it changes enough, and in places like wikipedia I expect it will be easily trampled by the mainstream. It will keep appearing, but not to enough extent, and the over-arching mythology of objective thought will continue to prevail and be taught to more and more.<BR/><BR/>I was told that in Hong Kong the government put adverts on TV saying things like "The customer is always right." This is an example of a government trying to impose/implement a mythology onto the people, instead of letting the people build their own without government direction. This, however, is a less dangerous kind of brainwashing than the passive wiki-ideology, where people do not even realise there is an ideology. It's the famous quotation from Marx's <I>Capital</I>: "They do not know it, but they are doing it."<BR/><BR/>As I keep looking, I find so many deep problems with this civilisation, and with the way it constantly reinforces itself, that my only prayer has become "Collapse soon." May others join my prayer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663634101252672135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3766962743980979093.post-58306069726079916602007-06-04T17:18:00.000-04:002007-06-04T17:18:00.000-04:00It seems that your problem is deeper than just Wik...It seems that your problem is deeper than just Wikipedia and concerns the corruption of power and the silencing of marginal voices in representative democratic relations, of which Wikipedia is just a particular manifestation.<BR/>It would seem that boycotting Wikipedia would simply be playing by their rules. They want to exclude the marginal voices, so we react by non-participatory silence? Isn't that what they want? I say that the more they try to silence the margins, the louder the margins should be. CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE!!!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10499307093510870059noreply@blogger.com